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Yes back to back woods loop ride videos will be loaded soon! Good to hear another rider struggling with MX33 front tire!🤣

Yes the Freeride E-XC is a fun riding experience and I also enjoy the low maintenance!

I like riding wheelies on my Z50 and 110's too! I use power wheelies to give a perspective on power linearity and throttle to rear wheel connectivity. The new Varg software has changed the power character and it is noticeable when trying to do power wheelies (remember the Varg has no clutch).

@@mxengineer1 No I understand your perspective completely, it gives the viewers a good idea of the power. I’m talking about the commenters saying things like “I won’t buy it if wheelies are less”. Not a single one of them needs a bike that power wheelies at 40mph lol

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The current 23/24 YZ450F is a beast to ride with 2-stroke like throttle response and quick RPM build. The KTM450SXF engine is the easiest to ride 60HP 450F engine out there and the 25 CRF450R is similar though does rev a little quicker.

Austrian 350's are my favorite combination of Power/Weight/Handling in a 4-stroke dirt bike. You have to really be smooth and flow with the 450 or it can tire you out quickly!

@@mxengineer1 Thanks for your reply.

Yes the Honda works very well totally stock!

Just got a MX34 for my 25 KTM 350XCF (has a MX33 on from factory)....will get a MX34 onto the front of my CRF450 soon!

The 25 CRF450R still has that classic very responsive to any input chassis character...more calm than previous CRF's but still can be a little busy at speed - easily noticeable when ridden back to back with the KTM. The CRF front fender is slimmer and slopes down more sharply compared to the KTM front fender and along with the small radiator shrouds on CRF gives the CRF the impression (from the saddle) of being smaller.

Glad you like the channel! The '22 CRF450R has very strong low to mid power - the 25 CRF450R is smoother low to mid power and easier to control.

Cool! This was a better "350" dialed back map on my YZ450F... ruclips.net/video/MsJrtPo70xg/видео.html

Here ya go! ruclips.net/video/2PcY7SXwEKk/видео.html

Ride Red!

Yes the CRF is totally stock suspension. Austrian 350's are such a great combination of Power/Weight/Handling and with WP Pro Component suspension are even more fun to ride!

Yes I have a 2025 CRF450 Works Edition on order but they are not arriving here in the US until November. I did not want to wait till then so picked up the base model to ride for now.

Yes my buddy has a 2024 CRF450 Works Edition that I rode earlier this summer (I also owned a 23 CRF450WE). The 23.5 Ride Engineering clamps really helped calm the front end down. The 25 CRF450R front end with the stock 22mm offset clamps feels even better. I think the revised rear shock linkage also manages the energy from the rear end of the bike better which also helps calm the front end of the 25 CRF450R. I also feel similar to you about being over the front of the CRF. The front fender on CRF's turns down fairly sharply which gives the front end a shorter and smaller feel from the saddle (I am 6' 2" tall)

The Nissan brakes on the CRF450R work well while the Brembo brakes on the KTM have a little more aggressive initial bite.

The 2025 CRF450R is much more calm up front compared to previous model years but it still has the CRF character of quick responding chassis to any inputs. It also responds well to setting changes - even a click or two is noticeable along with sag and fork height adjustments - all combine and can make the CRF feel more stable or reactive. The latest KTM chassis is a very good combination of stability and cornering.

@@mxengineer1 Agreed! I still feel like the Honda is far behind the other colors but that's just me! Cult Honda guys will ride it nonetheless. LOL.

Congratulations on your new CRF! The 25 CRF450R is really good - perhaps as good as the 2008 CRF450R was back in the day!

Hopefully get these bikes to Briarcliff MX or KickIn Roost MX soon for a back to back!

KTM does build bikes in China but the 450SXF is currently built in Austria.

​@@mxengineer1 what ktms are built in china?

@@actZR900 The one I am aware of is the KTM 790 Adventure base model that is sold here in the US market.

That is a tough question. So many 4-stroke off road bikes! The latest 25 CRF450R engine is the smoothest CRF450 in a while though still responsive. I think the 450RX will be a little better than my R model on the trails. I've ridden the YZ450FX and that engine still revs so quickly and is trickier to control on the trails (even with the power dialed back with the GYTR tuner). I would imagine the Yamah WR450R is a much better trail/woods bike. The KTM 450 engines (especially the 450XCF-W) have smooth power and slower RPM build so a little easier to ride on the trails. Beta 390/430/480 4-strokes have excellent low RPM rideability on the trails. I prefer the Beta Race Edition models as they come with KYB suspension. Lots of choices!

@@mxengineer1 I have a 23 Beta 300 Race edition now, rode all the 4 strokes at a demo day. Loved the 350, 390, and the 430. 480 was an RR-S version and to dang heavy. But after riding the Beta 450RX motocross bike, that powertrain would be to much for the woods?

@@Thirty-OughtSick I really like my 24 Beta 300 Race Edition! Good to hear you understand the Beta 4-strokes. The new 450RX has similar character to the other Beta 4-strokes - just a little quicker engine RPM build and more power. In the Rain map the power is smoother and works great off road... ruclips.net/video/UJx46Uqu7w0/видео.html

I have no specifics on what was changed with the update - only have ridden the bike before and after the update and shared my thoughts in this video. I would recommend reaching out to Stark directly with your concerns about the update. Would also be good to take a test ride on a Varg and judge for yourself. The Varg is such a unique off road riding experience!

@@mxengineer1 Thank you for the information. Do you know what number update made the changes that we are referring?

@@keithplemmons5615 This is the video Stark released describing the software update. I believe this is the latest software update and the only update I am aware of that has reverse.... ruclips.net/video/35ydnUjlLOk/видео.html

A update, I have full power back now after resetting all the modes. With no help from stark I was about 5 mins away from selling my varg. But it is back to its old power now after tinkering alittle. Hope this helps your decision

One of the easiest bikes to wheelie I've ridden in a while!

The 2025 CRF450 Works Edition is not due until November (I have one on order). I liked the 2025 CRF450R I rode at the press launch so much I did not want to wait until November to start riding the new bike! I will have a low hours 2025 CRF450R for sale late October!🤣

Yeah it says they set up his race bike like s*** 😅

@@Dailey2wheels ....so are you saying its hondas way of getting rid of a rider, like maybe roczen too

@@Joe-pb3lx could be. It's also pretty easy to mess up a bike without realizing it. Example, going stiffer to make it a little better, instead of softer that would've made it a lot better. A lot of things at play that get affected

@@Dailey2wheels ......i know what you mean.....its also how the rider feels on any given day......for me im always changing the handlebar position or raising or lowering my fork tubes....depends how my body feels

@@Joe-pb3lx I've done that a few times lol. I love tinkering with everything

I met the Honda R&D Chief Engineer responsible for CRF development at the 2025 CRF450R intro at Ironman Raceway. He is a very cool and smart guy and I had him sign a number plate for me. In fact there were a lot of cool and smart Honda associates responsible for the development of the CRF models at the press launch!

@@mxengineer1 ......thats awesome

Once I got a few hours on my 2025 KTM 350XCF I sold my 21 KR350 to a buddy of mine so it is still around and available for back to back rides!

Glad you enjoy the channel! Let me know your thoughts on the 25 CRF450R when you ride one soon!

The have ridden the 2025 CRF450R a few times now and engine braking has not stood out to me. In fact the engine has a fairly free feel as I back off the throttle in 2nd and 3rd gears. This is a good thing since there is no way to adjust engine braking on the CRF. Engine braking on the 2025 CRF250R I rode did not seem excessive to me. With the Connectivity Unit Offroad on my KTM 350/450 I minimize engine braking - frees up the chassis and makes the bike feel a little more playful.

Thanks! This new CRF450R is very very good right off the showroom floor. I don't think one is really better - just different characteristics. KTM has reflected 2-years of real world racing and market experience and produced a noticeably refined chassis and suspension for 2025. Nice to have choices!

Yes the Honda "feels" smaller from the saddle. The CRF radiator shrouds are smaller and the front fender is less wide and angles down a little more...these combine to give a shorter/smaller front end feel to the CRF. The KTM radiator shrouds go far forward to a point and the front fender is very wide - both combine to give the KTM a longer front end feel. By measurements they might not be that different - just my perception riding them back to back. I plan on moving the CRF handlebar mounts to the forward hole (rotated back) to open up the riding position a little (I am 6'2" tall).

@@mxengineer1 super curious what you will think after moving the bar mounts forward... i'm confused why no one seems to run the optional all the way forward set up on these newer bikes. i just got a different triple clamp to make my older bike do the same thing, but have not tried it yet... expecting to like it but weirded out by how few talk about it. only thing i can think of is if downhills become a problem.

@@yukonjon5964 Well it doesn't cost anything to try moving the bars forward on my 25 CRF450R so will probably try it soon!

I would imagine the 25 CRF450RX has more offroad focused (smoother?) engine mapping. I was quite surprised just how well this CRF450R engine runs from low to high RPM and the fluidity of the power and throttle hand to rear wheel connectivity is very good.

Yes the gold rims from the 50th anniversary CRF450R would look pretty good!

Still have the 24.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition and 25 KTM 350XCF....some fun back to back rides coming soon! Stay tuned!

​@mxengineer1 Can't wait for the comparo. I'd be interested to know how they compare for flame out resistance. Thinking maybe you are a bit of a master with the clutch 😀

@@Superdisco199 I am no master with the clutch - however the latest CRF450R engine runs very smooth - excellent stock EFI mapping - and runs surprisingly well at low RPM's.

@@mxengineer1 - I’m not sure you’re an engineer.. I’m going to have to see your Stamp Sir. Ha

Yes Honda started mapping with the 2005 Montesa 4RT 4-stroke trials bike! Hopefully Honda will offer an app soon. For now the engine runs so clean with (3) unique and different feeling maps along with (3) levels of traction control to dial back each map if needed.

The app doesn't interest me in the slightest and I'm sure I'm not alone. Riding washing maintenance repeat. Who beeds more distractions.

Best CRF450R in a long time!

Thanks! Always loved the look of red Honda's...cars and motorcycles!

You have a Suzuki now...I can't remember!

@@mxengineer1 .....no i was just thinking how i like suzuki RMZ's but your bike here may top that.....xr200 is all i have now and at my age that is just fine

Honda 80's CR vibe is cool!👍

Yes it works on 23/24/25 SXF/XCF 250/350/450 models (and equivalent Husky models). I installed a CUO onto my son's 23 450SXF though it did require the dealer to upload the latest 450SXF engine map using the XC2 tool.

I have liked it everywhere so far and that includes woods

I will go over smaller logs but not those bigger ones!

I run whatever the manufacturer recommends. For KTM's that is Motorex products.

So many good bikes available today! I've not ridden the 24 KX450 yet but sure are some nice deals on that bike now. The 25 CRF450R is easily the best one Honda has put out in a while - well sorted and fun to ride. I will be doing some back to back rides soon with my 25 CRF450R and 24.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition.